Bennachie Forum > Gralloch

I notice that the Bailies encourage dog walkers to use the hill as long as they bag up their dog waste and take it home. However, FCS allows those who shoot deer on the hill to leave the gralloch behind. I've spoken with several people whose dogs have found the gralloch - a tasty treat for most dogs but one which causes most of them to be sick afterwards. Why doesn't FCS tell the shooters to bag up the gralloch and remove it from the hill ? As far as I am aware, it is an offence under the Control of Pollution Act 1974 to leave gralloch in an area that is used by the public.

November 24, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterDenis

Thank you for your comment, i will pass this on to FCS

December 1, 2016 | Registered CommenterBailies of Bennachie Admin

Calum Murray Community & Visitor services manager for Forest Enterprise said

“If these grallochs (entrails) have been left reasonably well away from paths as our rangers and approved contractors are instructed to do then it is reasonable for the gralloch to be left in the forest. The Animal By-Products (Enforcement) (Scotland) Regulations 2013 confirm this with the exception of where the deer is suspected to have had a notifiable disease.

It is not uncommon for dog owners to allow their dogs to wander some distance off paths and for those dogs to naturally seek out something sometimes some distance away.

Dogs as suggested within the Scottish Outdoor access code should be under the reasonable control of owners. We would usually expect that to mean that they are within sight of the owner and will respond to their commands. Dog should not be allowed to run out of site into undergrowth for a variety of reasons including, most importantly, they are very likely to disturb wildlife by doing so.

It is therefore fair to assume that a dog that is well managed should not have the opportunity to consume a gralloch assuming that gralloch has been left well away from a path.

If of course visitors are aware of incidents where grallochs have been left close to paths we would be very interested to hear directly from them about this as we would then have the opportunity to discuss specifics with our team/contractors. From this information it is of course possible that we may also become aware of a poaching issue as a poacher is less likely to be as careful with the disposal of gralloch or indeed to be skilled in the careful despatch of deer as we would expect those working on behalf of FCS to be.

If anyone has information of grallochs they find close to paths or forest roads we would be grateful if they could pass details to our wildlife ranger manager Michael Skelly at Michael.skelly@forestry.gsi.gov.uk.”

December 8, 2016 | Registered CommenterBailies of Bennachie Admin

I've came across gralloch at the Back o' Bennachie less than 20 metres from forestry roads. Michael Skelly is not interested in doing anything about this issue. As far as he is concerned, it is industry practice to leave gralloch wherever the deer fall after being shot. And unless poachers have keys for the locked gate at the Back o' Bennachie car park - the only vehicular access to this area - blaming them for leaving gralloch is entirely untrue. FCS, it's contractors and those it issues shooting licenses to, need to have more respect for the public who have been using the Bennachie forests for many years. Bag up the gralloch and remove it from the hill !

December 25, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterDenis

Denis

We have asked Michael Skelly for his feedback and he said that he has already written to you directly.

He says that he has never denied that FCS leave gralloch on site. FCS practice is that gralloch is left a considerable distance from the road (in line with best practice) and that FCS do not remove it due to E. Coli and possible cross contamination with venison. The gralloch is normally eaten by raptors etc. in about 48 hours.

He suggests that it could be POACHERS and if seen close to the road the gralloch should be left untouched and exact location reported to the police! FCS do not issue deer shooting licenses on Bennachie and only carry out their own deer control.

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January 16, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterBailies of Bennachie

Mr Skelly doesn't know what he is talking about. Poachers would need to have the key to the locked gate at the Back o' Bennachie carpark - the only vehicular access to this area. If he is serious about poachers, maybe he should make the gate more secure.
As for leaving gralloch a considerable distance from the road, once again, he is talking nonsense. I have discovered gralloch as close as 10 metres from public footpaths.
Gralloch is not consumed by raptors etc in 48 hours as he claims. It gets spread about the hillside by wildlife but may linger for up to 2 weeks or more.
Many other people have reported the same issue to me - I use the forest daily for walking my dog and talk to all the other dog walkers about this matter.
The police are not interested in gralloch - I have already been in contact with Police Scotland. However they are interested when it can be shown that the shooter has been firing their high powered rifles in the direction of public roads or private homes. This has happened on several occasions in the past and has been reported to the police.
But Environmental Health are interested because leaving animal waste products close to an area used by the public is an offence.
I am sure Mr Skelly will be contacted by them in due course.
I would advise anyone who comes across gralloch to contact Environmental Health directly to report it. Take photographs and let them know the exact location where you came across it.

I don't understand what Mr Skelly's issue is with E.Coli or cross contamination with the venison. If the gralloch is put into a bag which is then sealed, what is the problem ?

Come on FCS, show consideration for members of the public who use Bennachie on a regular basis - and comply with the law. Remove gralloch each time your employees shoot deer in the Bennachie forest.

January 16, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterDenis